In earlier papers attention was drawn to the fact that virtually all floras neglect the time of fruiting, and it was suggested that filling this gap in our knowledge would make a fine job for many an amateur botanist. The botanists DOING and GADELLA reacted with very elaborate suggestions, thus professionalizing the project and losing sight of the original aim: to get the fruiting times of plants into the floras. It is emphasized here again how much amateurs can contribute if they do not listen to perfectionists.